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Post by Boricua on Jan 9, 2007 20:54:35 GMT
I believe somebody owes me a public concession, after his pick to face OSU went down to USC, and my pick ended up winning the whole thing.  |
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Post by †SamuraiFoochs† on Jan 9, 2007 21:05:55 GMT
Indeed. Owned.
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Post by Joker on Jan 9, 2007 21:20:47 GMT
The Big Ten in general =Owned, how anybody can say that the SEC is not the best conference in college football after last night is beyond me.
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Post by born2beskinny on Jan 9, 2007 21:41:29 GMT
The Big Ten in general =Owned, how anybody can say that the SEC is not the best conference in college football after last night is beyond me. I think the SEC is best, not b/c they won the NC, but b/c of depth in the conference. Just b/c they won the NC doesn't make SEC the best. When USC won it 2 years ago, does that make the Pac-10 the best conference, or when Texas won it, does that make the Big 12 the best conference when that clearly wasn't last year. |
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Post by DantheArtist on Jan 9, 2007 22:45:24 GMT
The SEC have some pretty good teams. I usually go for most SEC teams, because I live in the south, and have success in most of their teams. The thing that kinda pissed me off, is back in 2004, where Auburn was absent from the BCS Championship, giving the Oklahoma Sooners the spot against USC, which Oklahoma sucked serious ass. If the BCS have gave Auburn, Oklahoma's spot, things would be different, and probably still lose against USC. I don't care, I want to see a great game battle.
Oh and PS, Troy Smith is overrated.
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Post by Stinger Splash on Jan 9, 2007 22:51:28 GMT
I'm the first to admit I was wrong but I wasn't wrong in this case. Bowl season is completely different than the regular season and Florida, USC, Michigan and Ohio State were all different teams in the bowl season than they were in the regular season. Those were the worst games Michigan or Ohio State have played in a long time, that was the best game Florida played all year and same with USC. There was no way to know at the time that Ohio State would lay an egg and Florida would score more points against than every body but one Division I team they had played. I gotta go but I'll be back to explain later but these were all different teams that played when I said what said.
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Post by DantheArtist on Jan 9, 2007 22:55:56 GMT
I went for Michigan to beat USC, but instead, it looked like a blow out. From the Ohio State vs. Michigan game last 2 months, it was a great game. Why could we have USC and Michigan like that, besides USC kicking the shit out of them?
Also for Florida, I didn't expect Florida to win against Ohio, but I was shocked. Florida really impressed me with their defense, one of the best defenses I've seen in awhile.
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Post by Mutant_Couch on Jan 10, 2007 5:26:19 GMT
The loss stings, bad. Although that wasn't OSU at it's best, Florida played better and OSU were genuinely outcoached. The loss of Ginn early on didn't help and the long break before the game, but I'll stop there Florida deserved the win. On a positive note it does make the BCS look even worse with Boise being the only undefeated team and not only not being National Champions but not even having played in the game. That and it totally proved Columbus can manage without rioting after a major loss.
How? I certainly hope you're not just going off of the last game.
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Post by DantheArtist on Jan 10, 2007 7:53:30 GMT
I see you're from Ohio, sorry you have to read that. He did a poor job doing his job for his team. He only gave y'all 82 yards total, and that's below average. You can also count 5 sacks, 1 fumble, 1 interception to add. It's true that he won the Heisman and took the team to the BCS Championship, but in the BCS Championship game, he put on a bad performance, Therefore, calling him overrated. When someone wins the Heisman, you need to show everyone how good you are, and not suck at the last game, or you're gonna be a bust in the NFL Draft.
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Post by Mutant_Couch on Jan 10, 2007 10:14:19 GMT
I see you're from Ohio, sorry you have to read that. He did a poor job doing his job for his team. He only gave y'all 82 yards total, and that's below average. You can also count 5 sacks, 1 fumble, 1 interception to add. It's true that he won the Heisman and took the team to the BCS Championship, but in the BCS Championship game, he put on a bad performance, Therefore, calling him overrated. When someone wins the Heisman, you need to show everyone how good you are, and not suck at the last game, or you're gonna be a bust in the NFL Draft. Nice way to base this off his career or even this season. Yes, he had an awful game, who hasn't? No, he did not look prepared for Monday's game, but he didn't appear to have much back-up in the game. The rest of his performances have been pretty damn good, watch OSU vs. Texas, Penn State, or Michigan. As for the NFL draft, he wasn't exactly a #1 pick from the get go. So, I'm sure if they can overlook his size they can overlook a bad game, especially when he's had fantastic ones. |
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Post by Boricua on Jan 10, 2007 23:08:28 GMT
I'm not going to deem Smith overrated, but going into the draft, I'll be suprised if many teams haven't labled him a choke artist.
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Post by Joker on Jan 10, 2007 23:41:36 GMT
I don't think that the loss was Smith's fault entirely. I mean most of those turnovers and things fall on the offensive line failing to provide any protection for the passer or running lanes for the running back. If you wanna pin the loss on someone, pin it on the offensive line.
And I wasn't saying that the SEC was the best confrence just because they won the title, but because of the fact that everyone said they were gonna get run off the field, and all the teams stepped their games up and all showed why they are regarded as the best conference. As Carnage said, depth is key.
And if you wanna talk about overrated, how about the Notre Dame team that everyone said was so good, and in my opinion undeserving of a BCS bowl bid, getting absoulutly demolished by LSU?
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Post by DantheArtist on Jan 11, 2007 0:23:39 GMT
Ok this is my fault that I brung Troy up as overrated. He won the Heisman, not because he's a good player, but he stepped his game up, and he wasn't quick enough against the Florida defense. He's still a good player, I respect that, but I don't really think he was ready for the big game against Florida.
Notre Dame were good back in the days, but lately, they lost 9 consecutive Bowl games. The team may won a total of 13 National Championships, but they haven't done jack shit lately. I don't think Notre Dame is all that great, even if they won them Championships.
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Post by Mutant_Couch on Jan 11, 2007 1:40:56 GMT
I'm not going to deem Smith overrated, but going into the draft, I'll be suprised if many teams haven't labled him a choke artist. I can see that, it sucks though because he doesn't exactly have a history of screwing up big games. He'll probably go mid-second round still. Did anyone bother watching the interviews they did with Florida players after the game? |
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Post by Stinger Splash on Jan 11, 2007 2:27:42 GMT
I'm not going to deem Smith overrated, but going into the draft, I'll be suprised if many teams haven't labled him a choke artist. 2004 vs. #7 Michigan 2005 at #17 Michigan 2006 vs. 9 Notre Dame 2006 at #2 Texas 2006 at #13 Iowa 2006 at #2 Michigan Ohio State won 19 straight games with Troy Smith the starting QB in each of them. One bad performance, although on a grand stage, will not make NFL teams look at him as a choke artist. He beat rival Michigan 3 straight times and those game are almost as big as a National Championship game and he not only was the QB of Ohio State but he was the MVP in each game. |
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Post by Boricua on Jan 11, 2007 2:31:53 GMT
I'm not going to deem Smith overrated, but going into the draft, I'll be suprised if many teams haven't labled him a choke artist. 2004 vs. #7 Michigan 2005 at #17 Michigan 2006 vs. 9 Notre Dame 2006 at #2 Texas 2006 at #13 Iowa 2006 at #2 Michigan Ohio State won 19 straight games with Troy Smith the starting QB in each of them. One bad performance, although on a grand stage, will not make NFL teams look at him as a choke artist. He beat rival Michigan 3 straight times and those game are almost as big as a National Championship game and he not only was the QB of Ohio State but he was the MVP in each game. A very logical argument, and one I can't argue with. However, I've come to recognize mankind's tendency to use the latest impression of someone or something as the lingering one. |
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Post by Stinger Splash on Jan 11, 2007 2:56:47 GMT
2004 vs. #7 Michigan 2005 at #17 Michigan 2006 vs. 9 Notre Dame 2006 at #2 Texas 2006 at #13 Iowa 2006 at #2 Michigan Ohio State won 19 straight games with Troy Smith the starting QB in each of them. One bad performance, although on a grand stage, will not make NFL teams look at him as a choke artist. He beat rival Michigan 3 straight times and those game are almost as big as a National Championship game and he not only was the QB of Ohio State but he was the MVP in each game. A very logical argument, and one I can't argue with. However, I've come to recognize mankind's tendency to use the latest impression of someone or something as the lingering one. I don't disagree but in such a long and thorough process as the NFL Draft, they will look at the whole resume in my opinion. This certainly didn't help his draft status because it showed that he wasn't as ready as initially thought but he's still shown in numerous occasions the ability to win games and make plays in big spots. |
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Post by Joker on Jan 11, 2007 4:21:01 GMT
I'm not going to deem Smith overrated, but going into the draft, I'll be suprised if many teams haven't labled him a choke artist. 2004 vs. #7 Michigan 2005 at #17 Michigan 2006 vs. 9 Notre Dame 2006 at #2 Texas 2006 at #13 Iowa 2006 at #2 Michigan Ohio State won 19 straight games with Troy Smith the starting QB in each of them. One bad performance, although on a grand stage, will not make NFL teams look at him as a choke artist. He beat rival Michigan 3 straight times and those game are almost as big as a National Championship game and he not only was the QB of Ohio State but he was the MVP in each game. While that is a logical argument, and while I agree that's the way it SHOULD be. In sports its a "what have you done for me lately" type of issue, and in the eyes of some, you're only as good as your last game. But as I said, I don't agree with that, but I think that's the way a lot of scouts will look at it. That's why they'll also be quick to grab a guy like Jamarcus Russell just because he beat down an overrated Notre Dame team. |
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Post by Stinger Splash on Jan 11, 2007 4:36:57 GMT
2004 vs. #7 Michigan 2005 at #17 Michigan 2006 vs. 9 Notre Dame 2006 at #2 Texas 2006 at #13 Iowa 2006 at #2 Michigan Ohio State won 19 straight games with Troy Smith the starting QB in each of them. One bad performance, although on a grand stage, will not make NFL teams look at him as a choke artist. He beat rival Michigan 3 straight times and those game are almost as big as a National Championship game and he not only was the QB of Ohio State but he was the MVP in each game. While that is a logical argument, and while I agree that's the way it SHOULD be. In sports its a "what have you done for me lately" type of issue, and in the eyes of some, you're only as good as your last game. But as I said, I don't agree with that, but I think that's the way a lot of scouts will look at it. That's why they'll also be quick to grab a guy like Jamarcus Russell just because he beat down an overrated Notre Dame team. But the what have you done lately usually comes from fans and media, not the team personnel. They will take everything he has done in account and while this game certainly didn't help his draft stock, I think everyone is overrating just how much this game will play in the decision making process for him. |
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Post by Joker on Jan 11, 2007 4:58:52 GMT
Of course if what I said was 100% the truth dead on, then Vince Young would've gone to Houston.
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